Question: I have recently heard a certain sheikh accusing Deoband ullama of suggesting that Allah can lie. is this correct?
Answer: Don’t fall into such arguments! You know Ulema-e-Deoband fully well. So keep your connection with the ulema, learn from them and derive maximum benefit from them. They are the ulema of haq and they are the ones who have been upholding the truth in times of fitnas.
The reality is that some ulema of Deoband were asked, “Can Allah lie?” They explained that Allah never lies. Allah Himself has said in the Quran:
وَمَنْ أَصْدَقُ مِنَ اللَّهِ حَدِيثًا (Surah Nisaa: 87)
وَمَنْ أَصْدَقُ مِنَ اللَّهِ قِيلًا(Surah Nisaa: 122)
“Who is more truthful in words than Allah?”
Allah doesn’t need to lie. He is not scared of anyone nor does He need to please anyone so that He would tell a lie. He has instructed us to speak the truth at all times, so why would He do the opposite?
Thereafter they explained that Allah has the power to do whatever he wants. So if he wanted to lie, nobody can stop him. No one can take that power away from him.There is a difference between “Allah does lie” and “Allah can lie.”
So people who don’t like Ulemae-Deoband mix both things and say that they believe that Allah does lie.
Be careful of the deceit of such misleading people.
Asalaamualaykum Shaykh,
The muslims of Indian subcontinent as you know were divided only into two groups at the time of Shah Abdul aziz r.a and they were Ahle Sunnah and Imamiya shi’i.
Now we have ahle hadith, people who call themselves deobandi and those who say they are barelwi. Each claims t be from Ahle Sunnah. I believe botth those who hold views like the ulema of deoband do and the ulema of barelwi do they are both from Ahle Sunnah.
Why is it that Imam Ahmed riza khan r.a wrote a refutation ont he works of Maulana Ashraf Ali thanwi r.a and Rashid Ahmed gangohi r.a. Was it a deliberate move towards fitna or was it misunderstanding.
Nowadays people say what are u deobandi or barelwi and this war split is only in indian sub-continent and not any where else.
Shaykh i think much information needs to be spread if more eitedaal can be proomoted between both of them. I knwo there are extremists from both sides. Maybe if you can give dars on promoting more unity within Ahle sunnah wal jamaahin indian sub-continent. We here in India look to you as an authority in Shariah and indeed Allah has blessed you with great and very vast Knowledge.
Shaykh you also know that Shaykh abdul haqq muhaddith dehlwi r.a held it mushtahab to choose 12th rabbil awwal as Milad un Nabi saws. Whereas Mufti taqi Uthmani saahab states in his book on months of a Muslim that it is not a nice thing to do by choosing one particular date. Is it not true that scholars who were much more learned than Mufti taqi saahib like As-suyuti, Ibn Subki, Shah Waliullah, Shah Abdur rahim made Mawlid.
So why should this topic be used to further divide the muslims and call it a Bidah? Yes the way these Buzurg made Mawlid was different. Also shaykh it is true that Many ulema have stated that it is in Allah’s power to grant ability to Nabi saws to be Haazir in any place while at the same time having his presence at his Rauza. We have about the life of Prophets in Barzakh and yes it does not call for us to follow jews in their ghuloo.
But Shaykh is it also not true that the Muqaam of Nabi saws is not given due honor by the salafis of Aaale e ibn wahhab.
A place where Imam Malik r.a never used a horse to ride they stand near Rauza with their shoes on and some say it is not permissible ot travel with a niyah to visit the Blessed Grave of Holy Prophet saws.
Shaykh you must be aware that Imam Nawawi, Tajuddin ibn subki and many other ulema have givena beautiful answer to this misunderstanding of the hadith on travelling to mosques except Masjid ul haram, Masjid un Nabawi saws.
Please shaykh give if you get time a dars on removing the misconception in these topics which has become the pet topic of the fitnah parast maulvis who are only maulvis by name to divide us and create hatred.
Also Shaykh we know that Maulana Ashraf Ali thanwi r.a has praised Imam Ahmed raza khan r.a and also Maududi R.A HAS PRAISED HIM AND , people of all fikr have praised his knowledge of fiqh and his fatawa rizwia is more than 12000 pages almost is a proof of hsi great wisdom in Fiqh. Despite this he was not a masoom and has made mistakes but is he worthy pf the hatred which we hear ulema of deoband speaking against him.
Yes the faatwa husam ul haramain should not have been written as the blame was not right and the truth is that the ulema of deoband were innocent of all that was written?
Why was Nadwatul Ulema founded?
In terms of Urs the ulema are divided, we hear Qazi Thanaullah r.a a great scholar saying it is not permitted, yet we have the great buzurgs like Shah Abdur rahim r.a and his family who took part in urs.
We have Assuyuti, ibn suki, Shaykh abdul haqq muhaddith dehlwi r.a, Shah Waliyullah dihlawi r.a , Mujaddid Alf thani who held Mawlid permissible , yet we have Muft Taqi uthmani and many ulema of deoband saying it is not permissible.
Please give dars on promoting more unity within the Ahle Sunnah specially the barelwi and deobandi spplit.
Please forgive us in writing such a lenghty question , now i do not wish to give you a headache by leanghtening it more.
What about buzurgs like Pir Mehere Ali Shah, Abdul Aleem Siddiqi , fazlur rehman al ansari r.anhuma . they were intelectual giants of their time. What are your views about these buzurgs.
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Wasalamualaykum warahmatullah
What you have written is more than enough.
May Allah create harmony and peace among the Ummah.
Assalamolaikum
the brother has made many reasonable comments. My understanding is that there are differences between ulama and these should be respected on milad or whatever. I follow the Deoband school which is Ahle Sunnah like the Barelwi group. These are only labels and the aqeeda of the Ahle Sunnah from my limited knowledge is that of shiekh Ashari and Maturidi. I frequent a Barelwi mosque daily and i hear their taleem reading after Fajar. A hadith was read out not once but twice and explained by the Imam. This was about durud and salam being conveyed by an angel. I was surprised but realised that hazir nazir was more about Nabi SAW being provided with the knowledge of his Ummah not necessarily that he sees and hears everything like Allah. However I know certain groups do beleive that. I also know that some Barelwi elements believe you can pray directly to the Auliya and not simply ask them to make dua for you to Allah.
to continue…. the brother refers to ulama deobands hatred towards Molana Raza but i have never heard this in any of the Deobandi mosques as it is not the way of the deobandi ulama. However i have heard from the Barelwi ulama bad mouthing very very badly the ulama of deoband. You just have to compare the forums of deoobandi brothers and the barelwi to know what i mean. At worst deobandis call barelwis misguided but barelwis often label deobandis kaafir and shun them. India is worse for this and there are many cases where
…barelwi ulama have ordered the re-nikah of barelwis who have prayed janaza behind a deobandi Imam etc. I have also personally experienced barelwi worshippers and others place their thumb on their thumbs with me when shaking hands. I was ignorant of why this was done until recently. Ie they would not let my palm touch their palm! Having said that there are moderates and extremists in all groups and i have found that the moderate ulama in deoband and barelwi have aqeeda which are very close and this demonstrates many of the valid points made by the brother above.
what i firmly believe is that if it weren’t for the ulama of deoband the barelwi masses would have turned towards clear shirk. Deoband keeps them in check. This is what moderates the beliefs of most barelwi scholars who do tend to think twice before expounding aqeeda. It is the act of taking Qiyas too far or too less which has led both the barelwi scholars and the Salafis respectively to adopt bidah in their aqeedah.
Sorry to go on but on a final point i have ijaza to say Ya Rasool in my salat o salam but only if i beleive that this will be conveyed to our Holy Prophet SAW in that form and not heard directly by Nabi SAW who i understand from highly knowledgable Deobandi scholars can come in person in dreams and at times in spiritual or bodily form. Allah Knows all.